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Being curvy is not a political statement, nor is it a last resort. In this passionate and jolting conversation, models Candice Huffine and Precious Lee open up about fashion’s major diversity problem, debunking myths and misconceptions about being curvy, while musing on what a genuine attempt at inclusivity in fashion looks like. Spoiler: it’s not about filling quotas.

Precious was the first black curvy model to appear in Sports Illustrated and Candice was the first curvy model to make the prestigious Pirelli calendar.

This is Dare I Say, the podcast from, where we sit in on unfiltered conversations between the most influential women of our time—those daring to make the difference we deserve.

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