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Episode Info: Benson: Copyright chat is a podcast dedicated to discussing important copyright matters. Host, Sara Benson, the copyright librarian from the University of Illinois, converses with experts from across the globe to engage the public with rights issues relevant their daily lives. Laura Burtle is an associate dean of library administration at Georgia State University. She supports the mission, planning, and operations of the Acquisitions, Cataloguing, Collection Development, and Digital Library Services departments, and is a member of the senior leadership team. She is a library scholarly communications expert, and provides guidance and support in copyright, fair use, publishing, open access, author rights, and related areas. Welcome to copyright chat. Remotely today we have Laura Burtle with us. Welcome Laura. Burtle: Thank you. Benson: So Laura, you have been quite involved in the Georgia State University E-Reserves case. Can you tell me a little bit about your involvement in the case? Burtle: Well, back in 2007, I was an associate dean that one of the areas that reported to me was reserves, and we got a threatening letter from the American Association of Publishers, that a number of other libraries got as well, warning us about using E-Reserves without paying permissions. Our university counsel looked at it, consulted, and came back, and said that we thought it was fair use, and responded that way to the publishers. And then about a year later, in 2008, we got served with a complaint, plaintiffs now being the 3 publishers that are involved in the lawsuit—Oxford, Cambridge, and Sage. So, I was involved from the very beginning. Benson: And how long is this lawsuit been going on at this point? Burtle: Over 10 years. We were sued, and I believe it was either April or May of 2008, the most recent decision we got was in October of 2018, and that was a remand back to the district court for yet another action by that district court, so we’re still not there. Benson: And in the midst of this whole lawsuit, you went back to law school and got law degree, correct? Burtle: I did! It made me annoyed, and I just decided that I wanted to learn more about law, and so I went to law school. And, believe it or not, going part time took me 5 years, and I completed the entire degree in the time that the lawsuit is still going on. Benson: Wow so it was one of—that was when my thoughts, was that this lawsuit might have kind of prompted your interest in the law a little bit. Burtle: A little bit. I had thought about it before, but I had never done anything, and this… just… it was really interesting just, you know, going through the whole process. I was, you know, subpoenaed, and went through discovery, and deposed, and testified, and it was it was interesting. So yeah, it made me want to learn more. Benson: And what was that like, as a librarian, to be in the midst of a lawsuit about your job? Was it stressful? Can you tell us a little bit about that? Burtle: ...
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