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Eleven years ago, Iron Man changed comic book movies forever. Not only was the movie great, it was the beginning of a journey through the Marvel Cinematic Universe, with each film offering something new while also being connected to one large story. Avengers: Endgame is the culmination of that 22-film saga. From this point forward, the MCU will never be the same.

In many ways, Endgame is the pinnacle of Marvel’s achievements. Their signature blend of comedy and adventure are still in place, but the movie also dives into weightier themes. All of the central heroes we’ve invested in over the years are together and better than ever. And directors Anthony Russo and Joe Russo employ an ingenious plot device that makes the movie both a celebration of the old and an embrace of the new. There’s no question that Endgame is a great comic book movie, but is it also a great movie? What began as a normal Cinema Faith podcast became a sprawling discussion on the nature of art itself.

Join Jon and Tim as they discuss how to compare art across genres, the Lubezki/Cuarón film no one’s heard of, virtual reality movies, how Marvel ruined Jeremy Renner’s career, time travel movies, whether The Matrix stands the test of time, how the Marvel heroes differ from Christ, Jon’s Game of Thrones rant, why Thanos is right part II, the fine line between cool and ridiculous, the “popular film” Oscar category, Tim’s dirty theater experience, the truth about grief and loss, and how to maintain hope in the darkness.

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