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As Congress attempts to exert its oversight powers over the White House in the wake of the Mueller report, relations between the (co-equal!) legislative and executive branches have grown as tense as they’ve ever been during the Trump administration. To help unpack it all, Ari Melber—chief legal correspondent for MSNBC and host of the network’s popular evening program “The Beat With Ari Melber”—sat down with Daniella and Ed live from the Center for American Progress' annual Ideas Conference. Melber dives into how he’s observed the strained relationship between the branches of government, as well as how the debate about criminal justice reform has changed and reconfigured since Donald Trump became president. The Wu-Tang Clan, importantly, are also discussed.

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