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Artwork by e jackson.

Drawing a Dialogue is a podcast discussing comics in historical + educational contexts by Cathy G. Johnson + e remus jackson.

Episode 19: Cathy + e discuss GIRLS! e talks about the history of Grrrl zines, including Riot Grrrl, zine culture + canonization. Cathy discusses the history of the education of women and girls in the United States, the feminization of teaching, + the benefits of programs focused on marginalized genders, such as Girl Scouts + the Girls Rock Camp Alliance.

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Episode Citation:

  • Notes from Underground: Zines and the Politics of Alternative Culture, Stephen Duncombe, 2009

  • Girl Zines: Making Media, Doing Feminism, Alison Piepmeier, 2008 - NYU Press

  • “Girl Zine Networks, Underground Itineraries, and Riot Grrrl History: Making Sense of the Struggle for New Social Forms in the 1990s and Beyond,” Journal of American Studies, Janice Radway, 2016 - Cambridge

  • Kathleen Hanna video - YouTube

  • “Riot grrrl, Race, and Revival,” Women & Performance: a journal of feminist theory, Mimi Thi Nguyen, 2012

  • Queer Zine Archive Project (QZAP) - Link

  • POC Zine Project - Link

  • Digital Transgender Archive, Zines - Link

  • ZineWiki - Link

  • evolution of a race riot, Mimi Thi Nyugen 1997 - Link

  • Femme Skunk #1: Salome’s Sister, Eve Tushnet 1996 - Link

  • Eisenmann, L. (1998). Historical Dictionary of Women’s Education in the United States. Westport, Conn: Greenwood Publishing Group.

  • Judith Sargent Murray -

  • Litchfield Female Academy - Wiki

  • Sarah Mapps Douglass - Wiki

  • Oberlin History - Link

  • Historically black colleges and universities - Wiki

  • Spelman College - Wiki

  • Voting rights in the United States - Wiki

  • Mary McLeod Bethune - Wiki

  • Girl Scouts - Link

  • Grant, D. (2006). Resilience of Girls with Incarcerated Mothers: The Impact of Girl Scouts. Prevention Researcher, 13(2), 11–14.

  • Arneil, B. (2010). Gender, Diversity, and Organizational Change: The Boy Scouts vs. Girl Scouts of America. Perspectives on Politics, 8(1), 53.

  • Girls Rock Camp Alliance - Link

  • Girls Rock Camp Foundation - Link

Letters to the Editor

  • Transformative Justice Law Project, Hidden Expression zine project - Link

  • DePaul University zine library

What are we reading?

  • Mina Loy’s poetry - Link

  • Columbine by Dave Cullen

Theme song by Downtown Boys


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