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Artwork by e jackson.

Drawing a Dialogue is a podcast discussing comics in historical + educational contexts by Cathy G. Johnson + e remus jackson.

Episode 16: In this episode, Cathy + e discuss the history of incarceration, the school-to-prison pipeline, and how prison art + writing are tools of radical resistance. e discusses the development of mass incarceration, the history of prison writing, + how imprisoned radical intellectuals resist the carceral system. They look at the ABO Comix anthology as an example of this resistance. Cathy presents the school-to-prison pipeline, how discriminatory discipline practices perpetuate the system, + the history of juvenile court.

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Episode Citation:

  • Carceral Capitalism, Jackie Wang, 2018 - Semiotext(e)

  • 13th Amendment - Wikipedia

  • Drawing a Dialogue, Episode 12: History of Racism + Physiognomy in Cartooning - Link

  • Are Prisons Obsolete? Angela Davis, 2003 - Seven Stories

  • “How many people incarcerated in the United States?” - Wikipedia

  • Drawing a Dialogue, Episode 5: The Gaze, Power + Critical Engagement - Link

  • Foucault, Michel. "Discipline and Punish, Panopticism." In Discipline & Punish: The Birth of the Prison, edited by Alan Sheridan, 195-228. New York: Vintage Books, 1977. Original Publication: Surveiller et Punir, 1975 - Link

  • Reading Prisoners, Jodi Schorb, 2014 - Rutgers

  • Shakespeare’s Othello - Iago on Wikipedia

  • Forced Passages, Dylan Rodríguez, 2005 - UMN

  • ABO Comix - Link

  • Captive Genders, ed. Eric A. Stanley & Nat Smith, 2015 - AK Press

  • Criminal Intimacy, Regina Kunzel, 2008 - UChicago

  • The School to Prison Pipeline : The Role of Culture and Discipline in School. Emerald Publishing Limited, 2017 by Nathern Okilwa (Author, Editor), Muhammad Khalifa (Editor), Felecia Briscoe (Editor)

  • “School-to-Prison Pipeline” - ACLU

  • Drawing A Dialogue, Episode 14: Autism In Comics + Social-Emotional Learning - Link

  • The School-To-Prison Pipeline: A Comprehensive Assessment, Christopher A. Mallett, 2016

  • Hilary Clinton “the kinds of kids you call superpredators” - YouTube

  • Drawing A Dialogue, Episode 4: The Wertham Special - Link

  • Drawing A Dialogue, Episode 7: Violence In Comics + How It Affects Us - Link

  • Drawing A Dialogue Presents, Episode 1: Educator Walker Mettling - Link

  • Rubin, D. I. (2014). Engaging Latino/a Students in the Secondary English Classroom: A Step toward Breaking the School-to-Prison Pipeline. Journal of Latinos and Education, 13(3), 222–230.

Further Reading

  • Jailhouse Lawyers Speak, roundtable + next steps re: the national prison strike - IWOC

  • Jailhouse Lawyers Speak - Facebook Page

  • The Prison Arts Coalition - Link

  • Black + Pink - Link

  • Incarcerated Workers Organizing Committee (IWOC) - Link

  • Sumptuary laws - PBS

Letters to the Editor

  • Forum Theater - Theater of the Oppressed

What are we reading?

  • The Life and Adventures of a Haunted Convict by Austin Reed

  • Hey, Kiddo by Jarrett J. Krosoczka

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