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Sarah and (former co-host) Garrett chat with Melanie Lockert, the founder of Dear Debt, a blog that aims to help people remove the stigma around mental health and debt. She is also the co-founder of the Lola Retreat, which helps bold women face their fears, own their dreams, and figure out a plan to be in control of their finances. We chat about her history with mental illness, how that’s impacted her financial life, what sparked her desire to help those feeling suicidal over their debt, and how money can be the most important (and useless) thing in the world.

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