Zen Len Wright has experienced myriad struggles throughout his life and is now a coach helping others see the gifts given them in life's painful moments. In this episode, Mark and Len talk about how life isn’t predictable - you can’t have growth and predictability in the same moment. Len talks about leaving organized religion and his family’s response, including the growth in his personal life that followed. Mark and Len discuss the secret of life, found in the rhyme Row, Row, Row Your Boat. Above all else, they discuss the importance of love.