Josef talks to secular humanist chaplain Bart Campolo. Bart has recently published a new book together with his father Tony Campolo: Why I Left, Why I Stayed: Conversations on Christianity Between an Evangelical Father and His Humanist Son. There is also a fresh documentary out about Bart and Tony, made by Belfast filmmaker John Wright: Far From The Tree. In the episode Bart mentions a recent article about him in The New York Times, written by Mark Oppenheimer: The Evangelical Scion Who Stopped Believing. Don't forget to buy your tickets to the Katakomb Event in Gothenburg April 21-22: Katakomb.info, and if you're interested in joining Josef and Barry Taylor in Utrecht, Holland, here's information for you: Blossom030 en Geestdrift present. Support The Catacombic Machine at Patreon.com/thecatacombicmachine.