In episodes two and three of the Hinge podcast there are clips from my conversation with Michael Epps Utley of Epps Interactive in Nashville. Michael is a friend and has a lot of wisdom to share...much of which didn't make it into the previous episodes but is worth sharing. While I'm working on the next chapter of episodes for the podcast I'll be releasing a few uncut conversations. This particular recording with Michael was back in early December 2014. A lot has changed in the six months as I've gotten more clarity about how I'm hinging yet much of what Michael says that didn't show up in the official podcast episodes is still very applicable.