Episode thirteen features graphic design legend David Carson. Is there a more influential graphic designer than Mr Carson? I don't think so. He's the subject of many a college curriculum, possesses a unique, and frequently copied, personal style. He's built worldwide advertising campaigns, challenged perceptions of the purpose of typography, and been more than one writer's nightmare. We talked about his career, and how he went from being a high school teacher with a degree in sociology and no background in design to a highly respected, and insanely successful, graphic designer. We also talked about fatherhood, the cost of settling down, receiving hate mail, embracing self indulgent creativity, the golden age of magazines, zine culture, the end of print as a medium, his time at Surfer Magazine, and the inherent conservatism of surf culture.